Do You Own a Gun?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Are you talking about Adam, or something more akin to Lucy?

Because in the latter case, no matter how you define "human", the first one would in all likelihood be more similar to its "nonhuman" parents than to you. Do natural rights apply to those parents?

I am not a Christian and don't believe in any bible stories. I was talking about whatever person was the first person. The first person to evolve from apes to be an actual person as we are now, and not a half-ape/half-man hybrid.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

That was after I turned the other cheek twice - that's all he gets. I know: you conservatives need teamwork to even come close to winning an argument against one liberal. And still, you lose.

I'm not a conservative by any stretch of the rational mind and you certainly haven't won any argument in this thread. Or are you talking about some other discussion where you had a better position and weren't trying to deny reality?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Radar, you can think that you are born with all the rights you want - if your neighbor doesn't buy into the same societal convention, he will kill you and take your stuff and your women. So good luck with that.

If he tries he will meet the same fate he planned for me but in my case, I'll be using defensive force and exercising my rights, while he'll be using offensive force while trying to violate them. My position is clear, concise, and has no flaws or ambiguity. This is because, unlike yours, it's based entirely on reality and truth.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by zippyt

if your neighbor doesn't buy into the same societal convention, he will kill you and take your stuff and your women. So good luck with that.

Thus the need for a gun to defend your self and your stuff .

And so the conversation comes full circle and proves not only the RIGHT for individuals to own any weapon we choose, but also describes the necessity.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Radar

I am not a Christian and don't believe in any bible stories. I was talking about whatever person was the first person. The first person to evolve from apes to be an actual person as we are now, and not a half-ape/half-man hybrid.

No such thing. No definition of "human" is anywhere near specific enough to designate a "first" human. If you somehow do arbitrarily pick the "first" human, they will have been much more similar to their parents than to you. Do the natural rights apply to the child, but not the parents?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by jinx

Right on, Buster.

Does anyone else completely tune people out once they start throwing around "you conservatives" or "you liberals" as an argument?

Yes.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by Radar

And so the conversation comes full circle and proves not only the RIGHT for individuals to own any weapon we choose, but also describes the necessity.

Not really. The description is hypothetical...if the situation were a given, then it could be said that owning a weapon is a necessity.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Not really. The description is hypothetical...if the situation were a given, then it could be said that owning a weapon is a necessity.

Are you saying it isn't? For me owning a gun IS a necessity. In fact my owning of a gun is a necessity even for those who choose not to own a gun themselves. Private gun ownership makes everyone safer, including those who don't own guns.

[TheMercenary]

http://www.cleveland.com/concealed/p...600.xml&coll=2

Poor fella. Guess it is not always safe to play with the Big Dogs.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

No such thing. No definition of "human" is anywhere near specific enough to designate a "first" human. If you somehow do arbitrarily pick the "first" human, they will have been much more similar to their parents than to you. Do the natural rights apply to the child, but not the parents?

All evolved species have evolved due to mutations. At some point a mutation occurred that gave us the very first human being. The non-humans who gave birth to this human would not have human rights, but their offspring would.

What does this really have to do with anything?

[xoxoxoBruce]

No, no... guns are evil. The tools of Satan to kill babies and puppies.
Save yourself before they seize your soul.
Mail all your guns to me.
Do it now... for the children.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No, no... guns are evil. The tools of Satan to kill babies and puppies.
Save yourself before they seize your soul.
Mail all your guns to me.
Do it now... for the children.

I'll take a few more but I will have to buy a bigger safe. Please send the ammo that goes with the guns so I don't have to buy anymore. Thanks.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

http://www.cleveland.com/concealed/p...600.xml&coll=2

Poor fella. Guess it is not always safe to play with the Big Dogs.

That's awesome!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

That's awesome!

Now if every law abiding citizen in that neighborhood or section of the city were to get a CCW license and made it known to all in the papers and airwaves, I bet you that crimes like that would nearly cease. If they did not stop right away, they would stop right away after a few more gang-banger want-a-be's got a cap in the forehead.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by Radar

Are you saying it isn't? For me owning a gun IS a necessity. In fact my owning of a gun is a necessity even for those who choose not to own a gun themselves. Private gun ownership makes everyone safer, including those who don't own guns.

Yes, I am saying it isn't--for me. And it's fine with me if you think that owning a gun is a necessity for you, as long as you're a responsible gun owner.

I don't agree that private gun ownership makes everyone safer. It only makes others safer if, for instance, a gun owner happens to successfully intervene if non-owners are being threatened. It makes others unsafe if, say, that gun owner's kid or angry spouse happens to shoot bullets through the wall.