Kill the Messenger - this time the LA Times

[glatt]

If you look at the time stamps of the posts, you will see that you guys have been throwing mud at each other all over the Cellar in multiple threads, but classic stopped this morning. You are just now reading those other posts where he threw mud last night, so you think the mud is still flying.

I'm hoping you both stop, because I'm sick of it, but you both have free will, so it's up to you.

To answer your question about Urbane, I give his political posts exactly zero value, so I don't even read them. Maybe newcomers will give his posts weight, and that does disturb me a little, but I don't think any Dwellars who have been around for more than a few months give his posts any weight. He's like a tree falling in the forest with nobody around to witness.

You build your own reputation here with each post.

[tw]

Originally Posted by glatt

If you look at the time stamps of the posts, you will see that you guys have been throwing mud at each other all over the Cellar in multiple threads, but classic stopped this morning.

Good. If he becomes civil for one year, then I will do same. Only then we are even.

I announced this change months ago. Where were you when I defined what had happened to the Cellar's culture and how I was going to respond? You suddenly have an opinion? Bullshit. Too little, too late, and therefore it has near zero credibility. If glatt was responsible, then glatt would have spoken out those months ago when the problem was clearly defined. If glatt is responsible now, then glatt knows nothing has changed until classicman demonstrates civil behavior for months.

He did not murder anyone today. Therefore he has reformed? Nonsense. He was belittling others for years AND was doing so even yesterday. One day is reform? His apology only begins to have credibility when it is repeated for weeks. Oh. Apology? He did not even post an apology. So you know he has changed? I also have an East River bridge you might be interested in buying. Appreciate the concept - credibility.

Prove you are being sincere, glatt. Go after the worst offender here - Urbane Guerrilla. Otherwise you are wasting bandwidth. I am never politically correct. Are you adult enough to deal with the logic in this post or so childish as to be offended? Yes, your core is being tested. Statements are presented in the only way I know how - blunt and honest - and with no regard for emotionally based perceptions. If you are logical, then your next post viciously condemns the number one offender in the Cellar - Urbane Guerrilla. Otherwise we are simply wasting bandwidth.

When you decide to stop blaming the victims and instead identify the culprit, then I will know you are thinking logically. Again, I was blunt, honest, AND told you (and everyone) what I was going to do. I am also being blunt, honest and sincere here. Do you know anyone that honest? You want me to stop? Then let's see you go after the problem - not the victim.

Defined is what you must do to have credibility with me. Go after the Cellar's number one offender - Urbane Guerilla - in your very next post. Can I, as the victim of over a year of classicman belittlement, be any more honest here? Your only honest reply is, "No". Your choice. Blame the victim or address the Cellar's number one problem - Urbane Guerrilla.

You will observe my posts change only after the problem has been sufficiently solved long enough. Once I go to war, then (as defined in "Art of War") the resulting turmoil must be extreme. The Art of War is quite blunt about this basic principle. A dike has been busted. I resent blaming the victim AND posts that completely ignore the Cellar's number one problem: Urbane Guerrilla. Again, I told everyone what was going to happen. Nothing has yet changed. Don't blame me. Blame the problem.

A sincere glatt will be demanding a solution to the Cellar's number one problem: Urbane Guerrilla. (Nothing from me ever implied that UG should be banned despite distortions posted by others.)

Oh. If you do finally decide to address the Cellar's number one problem, then you will be the first Cellar dweller I have observed doing so.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by tw

Defined is what you must do to have credibility with me.

And that's it in a nutshell. A person earns credibility here with their posts. Both you and classiman have been throwing your credibility out the window with your childish mudslinging. UG has virtually no credibility with me as a result of his posts. You still have some with me. Classicman still has some as well.

You can choose to do what you will with the remainder of your credibility.

I'm not the Cellar cop. Sorry if that disappoints you. I spoke up this time because I hoped it might stop some of the mudslinging for a bit. I don't have the energy or desire to take on UG, even though he deserves to be taken on. Mostly I don't see the urgent need to take him on because I think nobody takes him seriously.

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by glatt

A person earns credibility here with their posts... You still have some with me. Classicman still has some as well.

You can choose to do what you will with the remainder of your credibility.

Do I have any left?

If so, I'd like to put it in a high interest account for a while, then squander it all one drunken night! Bwahahahahahahaha!

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Do I have any left?

If so, I'd like to put it in a high interest account for a while, then squander it all one drunken night! Bwahahahahahahaha!

You could be president of the US with those economic policies!

[classicman]

Originally Posted by glatt

A person earns credibility here with their posts. Both you and Classicman have been throwing your credibility out the window with your childish mudslinging.

You can choose to do what you will with the remainder of your credibility.

Sorry to all, especially Tom who has borne the brunt of my ire. There are reasons, but none of them mean shit at this point - I'm done.

I am going to make a concerted effort to regain that which I've lost.

[tw]

Originally Posted by glatt

And that's it in a nutshell. A person earns credibility here with their posts. Both you and classiman have been throwing your credibility out the window with your childish mudslinging.

Now you are rewriting history. classicman was doing personal attacks without any mudsling response from me for over a year. You only noticed recently and now assume personal atacks from me have always existed? Well, you have lied even to yourself and owe me an apology for that accusation. Return insults started when I said the Cellar has changed and would reply in a new tone that you found previously acceptable. You ignored routine insults until I finally started replying in kind? Yes.

There were no personal attacks from me before then. You have simply ignored that I remained civil in response to a new Cellar where you too could now become the target (because you lied about my reponse to routine classicman personal attacks and you ddd not apologize for your false accusation).

One day of being nice says zero. If you don't like me, then shutup and go away. If being honest, then you know I was the victim here long ago when I formally announced I was changing how I would post. I still have no reason to change strategies and every reason to still maintain personal attacks on those who did so routinely. That new attitide will not change until I am convinced more than just DanaC has spoken out. You, on the other hand, still have said virtually nothing about how Urbane Guerrilla types have so changed the Cellar.

Credibility - I defined the problem months ago and announced a solution. You ignored the problem and then months later blame the victim. What does that say about your credibility when you lie about me posting personal attacks previously? You know exactly when I started posting personal attacks - well over a year after classicman was doing it routinely and you were ignoring it. You even downplay it by calling it mudslinging.

Meanwhile, DanaC apparently has credibility. She (I am informed) has gone after UG elsewhere. You, on the other hand, only took notice after I decided it was time to get your attention. So you blame me? Shame on you for blaming the victim and still not doing what only DanaC has done. Take comfort in doing only what the majority have done if that make you feel safe. This is also about glatt who has no problem blaming the victim and still has not requested a solution to the Cellar's number one problem - Urbane Guerrilla.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by tw

You ignored the problem and then months later blame the victim.

Where do I blame you? I don't think I have blamed you. Sorry if it came across that way. I'm just asking you to stop.

You are at your most credible when you post facts/opinions and leave the personal attacks out of it.

[Pico and ME]

Originally Posted by glatt

You are at your most credible when you post facts/opinions and leave the personal attacks out of it.

I agree. Tw's viewpoint needs to be heard, but it usually just gets drowned out when everyone starts sling poo at each other.