Kill the Messenger - this time the LA Times

[tw]

Originally Posted by glatt

And that's it in a nutshell. A person earns credibility here with their posts. Both you and classiman have been throwing your credibility out the window with your childish mudslinging.

Now you are rewriting history. classicman was doing personal attacks without any mudsling response from me for over a year. You only noticed recently and now assume personal atacks from me have always existed? Well, you have lied even to yourself and owe me an apology for that accusation. Return insults started when I said the Cellar has changed and would reply in a new tone that you found previously acceptable. You ignored routine insults until I finally started replying in kind? Yes.

There were no personal attacks from me before then. You have simply ignored that I remained civil in response to a new Cellar where you too could now become the target (because you lied about my reponse to routine classicman personal attacks and you ddd not apologize for your false accusation).

One day of being nice says zero. If you don't like me, then shutup and go away. If being honest, then you know I was the victim here long ago when I formally announced I was changing how I would post. I still have no reason to change strategies and every reason to still maintain personal attacks on those who did so routinely. That new attitide will not change until I am convinced more than just DanaC has spoken out. You, on the other hand, still have said virtually nothing about how Urbane Guerrilla types have so changed the Cellar.

Credibility - I defined the problem months ago and announced a solution. You ignored the problem and then months later blame the victim. What does that say about your credibility when you lie about me posting personal attacks previously? You know exactly when I started posting personal attacks - well over a year after classicman was doing it routinely and you were ignoring it. You even downplay it by calling it mudslinging.

Meanwhile, DanaC apparently has credibility. She (I am informed) has gone after UG elsewhere. You, on the other hand, only took notice after I decided it was time to get your attention. So you blame me? Shame on you for blaming the victim and still not doing what only DanaC has done. Take comfort in doing only what the majority have done if that make you feel safe. This is also about glatt who has no problem blaming the victim and still has not requested a solution to the Cellar's number one problem - Urbane Guerrilla.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by tw

You ignored the problem and then months later blame the victim.

Where do I blame you? I don't think I have blamed you. Sorry if it came across that way. I'm just asking you to stop.

You are at your most credible when you post facts/opinions and leave the personal attacks out of it.

[Pico and ME]

Originally Posted by glatt

You are at your most credible when you post facts/opinions and leave the personal attacks out of it.

I agree. Tw's viewpoint needs to be heard, but it usually just gets drowned out when everyone starts sling poo at each other.