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View Poll Results: Do you support saving the US auto companies with tax payer money?
I support saving any one or all of them. 1 3.13%
I support assisting them for a limited time with a limited amount. 11 34.38%
I don't support saving them. 19 59.38%
I have another plan to save them from certain death (explain below) 1 3.13%
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Old 11-18-2008, 05:07 PM   #1
Shawnee123
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Then you did not work in a GM plant. These are very hard working people - very responsible. When a bad attitude exists, you can quickly see why. Bad attitude is created by bad management. Management so self centered and so destructive to even change all signs to read "employe". Spend massive money only because the boss is important.

Productive company - your boss works for you. Communism - you work for your boss. GM is very communist. Obviously, employees will have a bad attitude. The CEO makes that obvious.

Yes, one day there were many idle employees. A 747 carrying essential parts crashed in Malaysia. Slowly employees had no more work. Therefore those employees are lazy? Hardly.

What happens in a Honda plant if the door manufacturer delivers one defective door? Everyone in Honda stops working. Are those Honda employees lazy? Nonsense. Someone else screwed up. So very responsible employees are doing what they can do - maybe play cards.

If GM employees don't have work, the layers of management have screwed Americans again. 85% of all problems are ...
Honey, I'm just reiterating what people told me. And I'll bet you a LOT of money that no one who works at Honda has ever sat around on the clock playing card. Huh-uh. IN fact, my buddies would laugh to hear that.

But you're right, I blame management. My post did not NOT blame management. You silly wabbit.
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Old 11-18-2008, 05:42 PM   #2
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And I'll bet you a LOT of money that no one who works at Honda has ever sat around on the clock playing card.
It’s called just in time delivery. That means parts are always provided.

Toyota had a problem where the only manufacturer of Camry brake cylinders had a factory wide fire. So Toyota management did their job. They got a manufacturer of sewing machines to immediately shift to production of brake cylinders. If I remember correctly, Toyota employees were only idle for a few days.

JIT can only work when management comes from where the work gets done. Rick Wagoner has been a bean counter his entire life. GM's CFO before running GM North America into massive losses and all of GM into the ground today. JIT cannot work where the most ignorant are top executives. Therefore employees get paid to be unproductive.

That, BTW, was also the point of William Edward Deming's famous bean experiment. I understand his beads are now in the Smithsonian. Deming routinely proved that employees are only as productive as the bosses permit. Ironic that he used beans to demonstrate reality.
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