The Obamanation

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

They control all the committees that the Republicans are also members of. There are Republican ammendments on the bills. So, even knowing that it is unlikely that any Republicans will vote for the bill, they are letting the Republicans help shape it.

Token shaping. Very little input on the more important bills to come out since Jan.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Token shaping. Very little input on the more important bills to come out since Jan.

They're in the committees, have access to the bills, and can offer ammendments. So now, for you, "transparency" means not only having access to the bill and offering ammendments, and even having the ammendments accepted, but the minority party also gets to write the bill?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

They're in the committees, have access to the bills, and can offer ammendments. So now, for you, "transparency" means not only having access to the bill and offering ammendments, and even having the ammendments accepted, but the minority party also gets to write the bill?

Not really. But being on a committe means very little if little to none of your suggestions are adopted. That is just the way it is when you have one party that has such overwhelming power in Congress. It was no different when the Republickins were in charge. I fully understand that. But don't try to claim an environment where there is transparency when bills are being Rahmrodded and Pelosi Pushed to the floor for a vote by the group in power when no one has had time to read them.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Not really. But being on a committe means very little if little to none of your suggestions are adopted.

It means you're there when the other suggestions are adopted, so crying about not having time to read them is moot.

Also, plenty of Republican amendments are adopted, even though their inclusion doesn't seem to bring any Republican votes.