Girl, 6, Handcuffed, Committed Because Of Classroom Behavior

[Clodfobble]

I bet you couldn't do it, Monkey--not without sustaining significant damage to yourself. An out-of-control child can be amazingly strong, and the fight-or-flight response keeps them going long after they should have collapsed in exhaustion or pain.

[xoxoxoBruce]

And after you got out of the hospital, your ass would be in jail for laying a hand on a 6 year old girl. Oh yes, self defense... tell it to the judge.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I bet you couldn't do it, Monkey--not without sustaining significant damage to yourself. An out-of-control child can be amazingly strong, and the fight-or-flight response keeps them going long after they should have collapsed in exhaustion or pain.

Be that as it may, I'm finding it difficult to envision a position where a 37 pound 6 year old could have any leverage on an adult's throat. Jut grab their hand.

[Sheldonrs]

This is why I say it's never too late for a late term abortion.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Sheldonrs

This is why I say it's never too late for a late term abortion.

That is why no one should be allowed to have children if they have not been properly permitted.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Be that as it may, I'm finding it difficult to envision a position where a 37 pound 6 year old could have any leverage on an adult's throat. Jut grab their hand.

True enough. The out-of-control child would not be leveraging that kind of threat like an adult would. They would be flailing, kicking, biting, and a fair amount of stabbing would just happen to get done in the process. As mentioned, my son is still less than 37 pounds, and yet we are at the point where on the rare occasion that he does still need to be restrained, laying halfway on top of him is the only safe way to do it. He has given me bruises that last for weeks, and has come very close to breaking my fingers more than once. (And lest you think this is just because I'm a chick, the same is true for my husband.) "Just grabbing his hand" is laughable. Unless you are prepared to start punching the child in the face, you are at a severe disadvantage, and you simply cannot believe the strength they can wield until you've seen it.

[monster]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Lil Lookout is almost 9 years old and 52 lbs. He might have been 40 lbs when he was 6.

Although the age and weight may be important they could just as easily be irrelevent facts.

Thor is 8.5 and not yet 50lbs. Hector is 10 and only a few pounds heavier. Doctor is fine with them. Sure, they're below average, but they're heathly and on the regular charts. They're athletic and small.

tw's norms are AFU. But then are we surprised?

[monster]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Be that as it may, I'm finding it difficult to envision a position where a 37 pound 6 year old could have any leverage on an adult's throat. Jut grab their hand.

You don't have kids, do you?

Even an normal kid in a normal kid tantrum has amazing strength and can be hard to overpower without causing them any physical damage.

kids arms are short and chunky, with a much bigger muscle to length ration than adults of a similar fitness level. They are STRONG.

If you take a kid to hospital to get stitches in their head, they have professional holder-downers. They are all beefy male nurses and you can see on their faces the effort they are putting in to keep the child's body still -and they do that by crossing their arms so each elbow is on a shoulder and both hands on the abdomen.. Someone else holds their head still.

[limey]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

Let me disqualify myself for a moment:

... I have never weighed 37 lbs...

OUCH.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by classicman

The point was restraining a child that small - I was QUESTIONING whether handcuffs were really necessary. Thats all, move along.

Been here. Done this. Tough crowd, let me tell you. This thread goes on for many pages. I'll summarize my position: handcuffs on a five or six year old child is wrong.

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

Let me disqualify myself for a moment:

I don't have children. I don't have any children, and it's no accident. I also have never worked at, or been incarcerated in a nut-hatch. I am not now, nor have I ever been a teacher or a principal. I was six once, for about a year. I have never weighed 37 lbs.

That said, here's what the father of that six year old 37 lb girl ought to do, and what I would do, if this were my child:

Go to a bar with a gravel parking lot (if there is at least one motorcycle in the lot, all the better, you're at the right place). Go in, pull up a stool, climb up on it, and tell this story. Then hire three--no, four--of the beefiest guys there (they'll probably work cheap, maybe free). Have them handcuff whomever made the decision to handcuff and commit a six year old 37 lb girl and beat their miserable ass to a pulp. Then employ approximately one gallon of Amoco Ultimate to set this wonderful person fire. But be sure to put them out right before they die from it.

I don't care if the six year old 37 lb girl pulled a knife and held it to someone's throat, their solution was extremely heavy-handed and uncalled for.

You're fuckin-A right.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

has come very close to breaking my fingers more than once.

My son has done this too. I don't let him get a hold of my fingers anymore. They simply aren't in control of their bodies like we are. Another thing he likes to do is try to break my knees backwards by jumping on my legs when I have my feet stretched out on on the foot stool or coffee table and my knees are unsupported.

Kids can be incredibly strong and have no sense of when they are hurting you. They also get out of control at times.

I would have preferred it if the teachers used some sort of padded straps to restrain the kid. Handcuffs seem so harsh. But I have no problem with an out of control child being restrained, and I think it would be worse if padded straps were standard equipment in a school. Too much potential for abuse.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by monster

You don't have kids, do you?

Three younger siblings. But maybe I was able to overpower them with similarly short and chunky kid arms of my own.

[Shawnee123]

First off, gravdigger...I thought your post was hilarious. Really, it made me laugh out loud, well written funny. Funny, like a clown.

Now, about that post: though the big bad men who are jumping on the idea of the ass-kicking of the restraining parties feel pretty puffy right now...did you think that perhaps if the fucking father were involved in the kid's life in the first place it might not have come to that? For instance, if Daddy of the Year had shown up for a meeting with the school about the kid's behavior, there would have probably been steps taken to get the kid help, ya think? Or even, if that kind of parental involvement had been part of the equation since the beginning the kid might not be a psycho snivelling freak-fuck future Dahmer? Clearly, the problem started long ago. Daddy, or Mommy, playing tough parent to a child of god: too late. Sheesh way too many losers procreate.

Oh no, let's teach the kid about shit-kicking and revenge. What's the next step up from Dahmer?

Now you may resume running around with your dicks in your hands, macho dudes.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

...Oh no, let's teach the kid about shit-kicking and revenge. What's the next step up from Dahmer?
...

She'll be killing neighborhood cats.

According to the incident report, a deputy said Haley was out of control. It said she "kicked the wall, went over to the desk and threw the calculator, electric pencil sharpener, telephone, container of writing utensils and other objects across the desk."

BigV and Grav, would your feelings change if the electric pencil sharpener that she threw hit one of your loved ones, and did permanent damage? Broken nose, blinded, brain damage? Unlikely, but if she had good aim....

[Shawnee123]

Well ah'll tell ya raht now whut I'd do, I'd take that there kid to a bar, and have the shit beaten outta them for hurtin' mah kid! [/channeling stupid]