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Old 08-06-2012, 04:14 PM   #1
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...for that matter, those who govern us here also govern illegal aliens, so, there's the whole lack of representation thing going on there too...
Well, the illegal aliens can go back home and vote be represented there, or not, for all I care.

I wasn't listing reasons, but, why else would photo IDs at the voting places even be wanted? I admit to assuming that was the reason. Or voter fraud.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:24 PM   #2
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I wasn't listing reasons, but, why else would photo IDs at the voting places even be wanted? I admit to assuming that was the reason. Or voter fraud.
Most experts believe that most voters who cannot get photo IDs are Democratic. Repubicans are passing these laws to increase the likelihood of their being elected.

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Old 08-06-2012, 05:36 PM   #3
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Most experts believe that most voters who cannot get photo IDs are Democratic.
Uh...I know I'm gonna regret this, but...

Why can't Democrats get photo IDs?

(I assumed you meant Democrats, instead of 'ppl in favor of democracy')
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:39 AM   #4
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Uh...I know I'm gonna regret this, but...

Why can't Democrats get photo IDs?

(I assumed you meant Democrats, instead of 'ppl in favor of democracy')
The demographics of the Democratic party is older and poorer than the repubican party. Many Democrats who don't have a photo ID will not be able to get one - can't afford it, can't get transportation to the ID center, don't have a checking account, don't have or have access to supporting documentation, what have you.
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:43 AM   #5
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Uh...I know I'm gonna regret this, but...

Why can't Democrats get photo IDs?

(I assumed you meant Democrats, instead of 'ppl in favor of democracy')
Even FOX News is willing to report what is going on here.

FOX News
By Juan Williams
Published August 03, 2012

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GOP's fictional voter fraud charges aim to keep Democrats from voting
What is going on here is that the GOP is yelling ‘Fire’ when there is no fire.

Their goal is to reduce the number of Democrats casting ballots in the November election.
The GOP has created a fictional controversy about voter fraud
to hide the reality of efforts to suppress likely Democratic voters.
<snip>
The George W. Bush administration’s controversial firing of US Attorneys
was rooted in their upset that Republican appointees said
they could not find evidence of significant voter fraud to prosecute.
<snip>

But the reporters concluded that after five years only 86 people
in the whole nation had been convicted and most of those involved
misunderstandings of the rules, not intentional fraud.

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But to address your question directly as to the reasons
Democrats are more affected by such laws than Republicans

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Their latest Brennan report shows that more than 10 million eligible voters live
“more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office.”
Many of these voters do not have public transportation readily available to them
and many of the offices that issue the IDs are only open during weekdays
for limited hours when most people are working.

The report also says that copies of birth certificates needed to get these
ID scans cost between as much as $25.
It shows how marriage licenses, which are required for women whose birth certificates
only show their maiden name, can cost up to $20.

Adjusted for inflation, those fees are more than the poll tax in many
Southern states during the Jim Crow era.
Poll taxes have historically been used to disenfranchise minorities and poor people.
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:28 AM   #6
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It sounds like a poll tax to me.
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The Twenty-fourth Amendment (Amendment XXIV) prohibits both Congress and the states from conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a poll tax or other types of tax. The amendment was proposed by Congress to the states on August 27, 1962, and was ratified by the states on January 23, 1964.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:25 AM   #7
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Thanks for the additional insight, gentlemen.

I'd still be in favor of it, photo ID's for voters.

As a matter of fact, now that I think of it, I think Kentucky requires photo ID for anyone over eighteen, period. Voter or not.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:59 PM   #8
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Well, the illegal aliens can go back home and vote be represented there, or not, for all I care.

I wasn't listing reasons, but, why else would photo IDs at the voting places even be wanted? I admit to assuming that was the reason. Or voter fraud.
What Spexxvet said.

This is the story I read. As you can see, both sides agree, on the record, that no evidence of such fraud exists. What else then could be the reason for the law?

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Pennsylvania admits it: no voter fraud problem
By Jamelle Bouie

A court filing by the state of Pennsylvania, ahead of a trial starting later this week on a lawsuit filed by civil rights groups against the state’s new voter fraud law, contains an astounding admission:

The state signed a stipulation agreement with lawyers for the plaintiffs which acknowledges there “have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states.”

In other words, the state knows that voter fraud is a nonexistent problem, but will nonetheless defend a law that could potentially disenfranchise a huge number of the state’s voters.
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