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Originally Posted by classicman

What about the valid vote negated by the invalid voter's vote?
Couldn't this be argued as just the opposite of voter suppression?

Ok, I'll accept that. But my question is how would a voter id law have prevented this?? We don't even know what the mechanism of the fraud was. I am betting that these cases were ones where the voter/fraud previously had legitimate credentials to vote, voted, and later during some audit or something were cross checked with the "felons recently released from prison after serving their sentences but not yet reintegrated enough to vote" list or some such.

Stuffing a ballot box with a bunch of anonymous but just made up ballots is also voter fraud. Voter id will not prevent that. OOOPSIE I accidentally put this box of votes in the recycle bin and they got shredded is also voter fraud, not preventable by voter id. Voting in the wrong precinct is voter fraud, not preventable by voter id. Walking up, voting, going to another polling place, voting again in the same day is voter fraud. I don't see how voter id as described by the PA law would prevent this one either.

Until you can explain to me what the voter fraud was I can't see how the law will make things better by reducing voter fraud, the advertised reason people have been stampeded/bamboozled into thinking this law was created to prevent.

This law is supposed to prevent this scenario. I'm not eligible to vote. If I vote, it's a fraud. Now I need to get a ballot, and get someone's government issued photo id (who presumably looks like me) and go to their polling place where my face matches the face on the id and the name on the id matches the name on the list of registered voters at the polling place then vote. It's supposed to keep ME from doing this, and other stupid bad guys. It's kind of ridiculous. So ridiculous in fact that it's never been attempted, or at least detected and prosecuted, according to everybody in the lawsuit challenging the law.

who the fuck conducts voter fraud this way?

next question.

What in the world is wrong with the way people in PA vote now? I'm asking about the voting process, NOT the recent results nor the anticipated results of elections? Because I believe the law's intended to affect the anticipated results by modifying how people get to vote. NOT the advertised result of keeping people from impersonating voters in person at polling places.