View on the recent Gaza/Israel stikes - The Cellar

The Cellar

		The Cellar > Main > Current Events
View on the recent Gaza/Israel stikes

Mark Forums Read

Current Events Help understand the world by talking about things happening in it

piercehawkeye45 View on the recent... 01-03-2009, 01:04 AM

piercehawkeye45 This gets us to negotiations.... 01-03-2009, 01:05 AM

xoxoxoBruce Saudis blame Hamas amid calls... 01-03-2009, 01:18 AM

Ruminator Thanks Pierce, and Bruce; it... 01-03-2009, 01:24 AM

wolf I've been trying to find a... 01-03-2009, 01:46 AM

Radar I'd say I pretty much agree... 01-03-2009, 02:03 AM

BrianR I wonder why it's always... 01-03-2009, 08:11 AM

Griff Cuz the bible tells you so?... 01-03-2009, 08:44 AM

xoxoxoBruce Bingo! Some use the U.S. as... 01-03-2009, 11:16 AM

DanaC *opens mouth then thinks... 01-03-2009, 08:19 AM

Undertoad Rule of thumb: if you favor... 01-03-2009, 08:51 AM

Griff Another rule of thumb:... 01-03-2009, 09:33 AM

classicman Excellent post Brian -... 01-03-2009, 10:27 AM

piercehawkeye45 A solution for this problem... 01-03-2009, 11:17 AM

xoxoxoBruce You are referring to the... 01-03-2009, 11:35 AM

Undertoad Palestine would collapse in a... 01-03-2009, 11:24 AM

piercehawkeye45 Fall apart both politically... 01-03-2009, 11:30 AM

xoxoxoBruce The west has poured billions... 01-03-2009, 11:40 AM

piercehawkeye45 I was referring to the idea... 01-03-2009, 11:49 AM

xoxoxoBruce Right, before the idea of... 01-03-2009, 12:26 PM

Undertoad Before Hamas' election, and... 01-03-2009, 11:51 AM

piercehawkeye45 When did I say that Israel... 01-03-2009, 11:58 AM

Undertoad The 1947 UN Partition Plan. ... 01-03-2009, 12:16 PM

piercehawkeye45 Either way, that doesn't... 01-03-2009, 01:08 PM

xoxoxoBruce When William Penn bought the... 01-03-2009, 08:43 PM

piercehawkeye45 When did I say ownership was... 01-03-2009, 11:32 PM

More replies below current depth...

sugarpop I love that analogy. ... 01-31-2009, 09:47 AM

Undertoad Really? Uprooting citizens... 01-03-2009, 01:38 PM

piercehawkeye45 They did the same to the... 01-03-2009, 01:52 PM

Undertoad Well stated. But why is this... 01-03-2009, 06:55 PM

piercehawkeye45 I try not to jump to... 01-03-2009, 07:26 PM

classicman BAM STIRS FEARS IN ISRAEL... 01-03-2009, 10:51 PM

TheMercenary Sounds like the potential for... 01-04-2009, 11:42 AM

TheMercenary http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/... 01-04-2009, 06:58 PM

xoxoxoBruce If you want pictures, here's... 01-04-2009, 07:05 PM

Undertoad via Bruce's gallery, When... 01-04-2009, 07:14 PM

xoxoxoBruce When they are staging the... 01-04-2009, 07:19 PM

classicman That one WAS the police... 01-04-2009, 07:48 PM

TheMercenary They learned well from their... 01-04-2009, 07:33 PM

tw Ironic as it may sound - to... 01-04-2009, 08:19 PM

classicman Oh really?? 01-04-2009, 09:06 PM

classicman BS. I think the vast... 01-04-2009, 08:38 PM

tw Funny how wackos suddenly... 01-04-2009, 08:47 PM

TheMercenary Cite. 01-04-2009, 08:49 PM

classicman Oh really?? 01-04-2009, 09:07 PM

TheMercenary Cite. 01-04-2009, 09:13 PM

xoxoxoBruce That was the theory of Sun... 01-04-2009, 09:27 PM

TheMercenary No doubt. 01-04-2009, 08:42 PM

classicman BTW - the disparaging remarks... 01-04-2009, 09:09 PM

tw Well then talk to the source... 01-04-2009, 09:11 PM

TheMercenary WTF? 01-04-2009, 09:13 PM

TheMercenary I think the Hamas may be at a... 01-04-2009, 09:30 PM

tw An important question is... 01-04-2009, 09:59 PM

piercehawkeye45 Two reasons, one history, the... 01-05-2009, 11:51 AM

classicman Yeh I saw it, thought it was... 01-05-2009, 12:14 PM

piercehawkeye45 Did you read the article I... 01-05-2009, 12:51 PM

Undertoad fLIdxF-GHWw 47 devastating... 01-05-2009, 12:18 PM

DanaC Israel has a right to defend... 01-05-2009, 01:12 PM

wolf Hamas shot first. They... 01-05-2009, 01:15 PM

piercehawkeye45 Maybe you should read the... 01-05-2009, 02:14 PM

DanaC I think that's about as good... 01-05-2009, 02:43 PM

DanaC Hamas aren't the only ones... 01-05-2009, 01:18 PM

wolf Blame the guys who set up... 01-05-2009, 01:22 PM

DanaC There's a step in between... 01-05-2009, 01:26 PM

lookout123 Too true. The Israeli's... 01-05-2009, 01:33 PM

Undertoad ....lose the ability to... 01-05-2009, 02:23 PM

OnyxCougar Actually, I can say this is... 01-05-2009, 02:39 PM

classicman I prefer this description. 01-05-2009, 02:57 PM

piercehawkeye45 I wasn't making a prediction,... 01-05-2009, 03:21 PM

OnyxCougar Harsh is relative. What I... 01-05-2009, 04:07 PM

Aliantha Someone should just go and... 01-05-2009, 04:23 PM

TheMercenary At this point I have to... 01-05-2009, 04:27 PM

sugarpop Well said. 01-31-2009, 10:20 AM

piercehawkeye45 OnyxCougar, even though I... 01-05-2009, 05:50 PM

TheMercenary Your lack of overwhelming... 01-05-2009, 07:08 PM

DanaC An educated guess though. 01-05-2009, 07:17 PM

TheMercenary Not. 01-05-2009, 07:19 PM

piercehawkeye45 I based my guess on history... 01-05-2009, 07:25 PM

TheMercenary Still a guess. 01-05-2009, 08:15 PM

piercehawkeye45 A report came out by the... 01-05-2009, 10:10 PM

xoxoxoBruce What? But getting a kidnapped... 01-06-2009, 01:55 AM

piercehawkeye45 First, I only displayed the... 01-06-2009, 02:44 AM

DanaC Not just starvation.... 01-06-2009, 05:12 AM

OnyxCougar Any sympathy and anger I may... 01-06-2009, 07:51 AM

piercehawkeye45 Hahahaha. Do you really think... 01-07-2009, 02:15 AM

classicman I NEVER made that claim, far... 01-07-2009, 08:42 AM

Undertoad Although Dana made it sound... 01-07-2009, 11:28 AM

DanaC Sundae now's when you should... 01-06-2009, 05:16 AM

classicman I agree with you Dana that it... 01-06-2009, 08:02 AM

Undertoad Misfortunate. They chose... 01-06-2009, 09:19 AM

TheMercenary The pity party is over. 01-06-2009, 09:32 AM

Pooka The problem is ... this is a... 01-06-2009, 09:55 AM

PaperClip

Flint ... 01-06-2009, 10:03 AM

OnyxCougar And now a word from Europe. ... 01-06-2009, 10:06 AM

Undertoad You shouldn't feel bad for... 01-06-2009, 10:15 AM

Undertoad And BTW No they didn't. ... 01-06-2009, 11:34 AM

Undertoad Lastly... 01-06-2009, 11:49 AM

DanaC I don't recall Pierce ever... 01-06-2009, 12:04 PM

Sundae Out. At your own request I... 01-06-2009, 04:12 PM

DanaC *looks guilty* yeah. I said... 01-06-2009, 04:17 PM

Ibby i dont know who im sick of... 01-06-2009, 06:38 PM

TheMercenary Originally Posted by... 01-07-2009, 07:10 AM

piercehawkeye45 I am making the point that... 01-07-2009, 12:44 PM

classicman I disagree. Your conclusion... 01-07-2009, 01:19 PM

Undertoad I find my little Pal girl... 01-07-2009, 02:30 PM

piercehawkeye45 I made a mistake on my post.... 01-07-2009, 03:24 PM

xoxoxoBruce 1. Hamas/other Palestinian... 01-07-2009, 04:03 PM

Urbane Guerrilla As long as the irresponsible... 01-07-2009, 10:28 PM

classicman There you have it then. ... 01-08-2009, 07:58 AM

OnyxCougar This may be an ignorant... 01-08-2009, 03:04 PM

piercehawkeye45 Hmmmm.....I actually have... 01-08-2009, 04:47 PM

freshnesschronic I hope they all chill out... 01-09-2009, 04:56 AM

Undertoad http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01... 01-09-2009, 12:28 PM

piercehawkeye45 So now we are posting extreme... 01-09-2009, 03:01 PM

Flint If that's the game (if), then... 01-09-2009, 03:13 PM

Shawnee123 yer face 01-09-2009, 03:14 PM

piercehawkeye45 That incident is being... 01-09-2009, 03:31 PM

Undertoad FTFY 01-09-2009, 03:35 PM

Flint So, because your example is... 01-09-2009, 03:36 PM

piercehawkeye45 The news source where... 01-09-2009, 03:57 PM

piercehawkeye45 You serious? First, the... 01-09-2009, 03:52 PM

Flint I would think the article's... 01-09-2009, 03:55 PM

Flint You're making the wrong... 01-09-2009, 04:00 PM

Flint You've lost the plot. I'm out. 01-09-2009, 04:03 PM

tw Rather curious that America -... 01-09-2009, 06:29 PM

TheMercenary Damm, you left out a... 01-10-2009, 04:35 AM

tw You mean I forgot to mention... 01-10-2009, 04:57 PM

TheMercenary You forgot Bin Laden and Rush. 01-10-2009, 07:31 PM

More replies below current depth...

classicman Don't drag me into your... 01-11-2009, 11:32 AM

tw The new dynamic. When you... 01-11-2009, 12:01 PM

xoxoxoBruce That's bullshit. Questioning... 01-11-2009, 12:30 PM

Undertoad No Thomas, compared to what... 01-11-2009, 11:44 AM

DanaC I don't care who started. I... 01-11-2009, 12:14 PM

classicman Since when does asking... 01-11-2009, 12:15 PM

tw Responsible posters do that... 01-11-2009, 12:29 PM

classicman Finally to get back on... 01-21-2009, 06:03 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Tw, you've just managed to... 01-24-2009, 10:18 PM

cynthia09 When people stop teaching... 01-25-2009, 08:43 AM

TheMercenary Tell it to the Muslims. 01-25-2009, 09:41 PM

DanaC Yeah. 'Cause no Jewish... 01-26-2009, 01:50 AM

TheMercenary I would not support that... 01-26-2009, 06:42 AM

More replies below current depth...

Undertoad They certainly don't teach it... 01-26-2009, 07:27 AM

classicman That is so wrong on so many... 01-26-2009, 07:42 AM

TheMercenary Maybe a nuclear holocaust in... 01-26-2009, 11:43 AM

tranquill I was surprised to learn that... 01-29-2009, 06:47 AM

sugarpop Why? Israel routinely tries... 01-31-2009, 10:27 AM

Urbane Guerrilla In some seasons the... 01-26-2009, 05:29 PM

classicman That has to be the most... 01-26-2009, 07:19 PM

Sundae Dana - you are sworn off this... 01-27-2009, 12:44 PM

DanaC No. No you're quite right.... 01-27-2009, 12:45 PM

classicman This is the bestest threadest... 01-27-2009, 01:55 PM

Undertoad Now that the Israel/Hamas... 01-30-2009, 11:31 AM

classicman sar/oh, poor Hamas. Its not... 01-30-2009, 12:35 PM

classicman He said, she said. Who... 01-31-2009, 09:56 AM

sugarpop They are both teaching hate,... 01-31-2009, 10:44 AM

Undertoad Actually, we've gone over... 01-31-2009, 11:20 AM

sugarpop OK. I don't know whether he... 01-31-2009, 11:31 AM

More replies below current depth...

piercehawkeye45 Lets look at the facts. A... 01-31-2009, 10:51 AM

classicman Please retract that first... 01-31-2009, 11:54 AM

classicman Yes, of course - every single... 01-31-2009, 10:39 AM

Shawnee123 Wag the Dog.... 01-31-2009, 10:46 AM

sugarpop i love that movie. :D 01-31-2009, 10:46 AM

Shawnee123 Me too...must rent again. 01-31-2009, 10:47 AM

classicman PH - READ CAREFULLY - Where... 01-31-2009, 11:47 AM

piercehawkeye45 My fault. Sorry about that... 01-31-2009, 12:40 PM

sugarpop It is the pre- 1967 borders,... 01-31-2009, 03:55 PM

Undertoad Hamas's very charter clearly... 01-31-2009, 11:50 AM

sugarpop I have heard that from Israel... 01-31-2009, 03:32 PM

TheMercenary That is not the official... 01-31-2009, 03:43 PM

sugarpop There are some extremists in... 01-31-2009, 04:01 PM

More replies below current depth...

Undertoad Citation needed The... 01-31-2009, 03:53 PM

sugarpop It was on Frontline a couple... 01-31-2009, 04:06 PM

classicman :flamer: 01-31-2009, 12:10 PM

Undertoad 750 trucks per day into Gaza... 01-31-2009, 01:41 PM

piercehawkeye45 I said this many times before... 02-01-2009, 04:43 PM

TheMercenary There is very little that... 01-31-2009, 02:34 PM

TheMercenary Look at it this way, at least... 02-01-2009, 09:28 AM

TheMercenary Hamas attempts to reconcile.... 02-01-2009, 09:41 AM

TheMercenary You have forgotten where... 02-01-2009, 04:48 PM

piercehawkeye45 How did I forget that? ... 02-02-2009, 09:10 PM

TheMercenary Because it is a fact... 02-02-2009, 09:35 PM

Aliantha I think you only got to 9 on... 02-01-2009, 10:28 PM

TheMercenary Because we have very little... 02-02-2009, 01:55 AM

sugarpop Because, it wouldn't be... 02-02-2009, 06:58 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Quite right, Ali, and it... 02-01-2009, 10:33 PM

Aliantha Oh well, I guess maybe some... 02-01-2009, 10:35 PM

Urbane Guerrilla No arguments there, redux;... 02-01-2009, 10:41 PM

Urbane Guerrilla See, this is why Aliantha and... 02-01-2009, 10:43 PM

xoxoxoBruce And from Mr Yon... 02-01-2009, 10:58 PM

Aliantha It sounds like everyone... 02-02-2009, 01:58 AM

BrianR Sorry to interrupt, but the... 02-02-2009, 03:21 PM

TheMercenary You be highly mistaken if you... 02-02-2009, 06:44 PM

sugarpop yea yea, I know. But we have... 02-02-2009, 07:10 PM

classicman Nope, thats not what I'm... 02-02-2009, 07:16 PM

sugarpop Please elaborate then. I'm... 02-02-2009, 07:22 PM

classicman I honesty don't think there... 02-02-2009, 07:54 PM

classicman Hamas leader praises Iran's... 02-02-2009, 08:34 PM

piercehawkeye45 Yes. Iran supports Hamas. US... 02-02-2009, 09:45 PM

TheMercenary Sorry, that dog does not... 02-02-2009, 09:51 PM

sugarpop Exactly. 02-03-2009, 11:44 AM

piercehawkeye45 What is obvious is that I do... 02-02-2009, 09:56 PM

TheMercenary Come on bro. Don't blow smoke... 02-02-2009, 10:01 PM

piercehawkeye45 Why would I say anything... 02-02-2009, 10:06 PM

TheMercenary I don't buy it. You have... 02-02-2009, 10:53 PM

sugarpop So have I. But you know me,... 02-03-2009, 11:45 AM

classicman Hmm - I'm with Ali - Parking... 02-02-2009, 10:22 PM

piercehawkeye45 So? I will defend numerous... 02-02-2009, 11:13 PM

TheMercenary Good enough. I respect that.... 02-02-2009, 11:31 PM

piercehawkeye45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A... 02-03-2009, 11:59 AM

DanaC One man's terrorist is... 02-03-2009, 05:05 AM

xoxoxoBruce Can't hear the Palestinians... 02-03-2009, 05:16 AM

sugarpop Well said. And the people we... 02-03-2009, 11:48 AM

Undertoad I urge you to read the Hamas... 02-03-2009, 02:33 PM

piercehawkeye45 You are right if we are... 02-04-2009, 07:33 PM

Undertoad Oh holy crap. Then go and... 02-04-2009, 09:00 PM

piercehawkeye45 Yeah? So we have two... 02-04-2009, 10:44 PM

TheMercenary Those with the most guns... 02-05-2009, 09:24 AM

sugarpop And peace with Palestine is... 02-06-2009, 09:02 AM

classicman ok I'll bite - Why do you say... 02-06-2009, 11:00 AM

sugarpop Because. They consistently do... 02-06-2009, 08:10 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Sugarpop, you're trying to... 02-06-2009, 09:38 PM

xoxoxoBruce It's raining.... 02-07-2009, 05:03 AM

Urbane Guerrilla And so, this Michael Yon... 02-08-2009, 05:52 PM

classicman Edit that before its too... 02-08-2009, 06:01 PM

Urbane Guerrilla I know I'm speaking harshly. ... 02-08-2009, 06:09 PM

sugarpop So you are calling me a whore... 02-08-2009, 06:46 PM

sugarpop No I'm not. Show me where I... 02-07-2009, 08:28 PM

classicman Very good Bruce- another... 02-07-2009, 11:11 AM

Undertoad Hamas steals UN food aid ... 02-07-2009, 10:39 PM

sugarpop It's just a big fat mess over... 02-07-2009, 11:06 PM

xoxoxoBruce If Israel should be condemned... 02-08-2009, 01:09 AM

sugarpop Why should we even be... 02-08-2009, 06:24 PM

Urbane Guerrilla What we see with democracy (I... 02-08-2009, 07:16 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Many antisemites attempt to... 02-08-2009, 05:39 PM

Aliantha So by your logic here UG,... 02-08-2009, 05:48 PM

sugarpop And what is really ironic, is... 02-08-2009, 06:43 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Because on the whole, their... 02-08-2009, 07:26 PM

classicman You are the debbil (runs... 02-08-2009, 07:35 PM

OnyxCougar Anyone read "Bury Me... 02-09-2009, 02:57 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Aliantha, just why do you... 02-08-2009, 05:53 PM

Aliantha Just a simple question UG. ;) 02-08-2009, 05:54 PM

Urbane Guerrilla And my simple answer, as... 02-08-2009, 06:13 PM

Guest As an east coast liberal... 02-08-2009, 06:01 PM

sugarpop I understand your point, and... 02-08-2009, 07:14 PM

Undertoad http://www.breakingnews.ie/arc... 02-08-2009, 07:31 PM

classicman Perhaps Hamas is just a... 02-08-2009, 06:08 PM

Guest IMO, the Palestinian people... 02-08-2009, 06:19 PM

TheMercenary Well said. 02-09-2009, 08:39 AM

Aliantha My very personal opinion is... 02-08-2009, 06:19 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Redux, let us continue: ... 02-08-2009, 06:23 PM

Aliantha What are you going to... 02-08-2009, 06:25 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Ali, in those moments when... 02-08-2009, 06:32 PM

Aliantha Well, some people think I'm... 02-08-2009, 06:37 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Can't hide from me! (runs... 02-08-2009, 07:42 PM

Aliantha ok, now the mental image I... 02-08-2009, 07:44 PM

xoxoxoBruce Don't forget the bagpipe.... 02-08-2009, 10:20 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Don't forget playing Monty... 02-09-2009, 10:53 PM

classicman OK, you are creeping me out... 02-09-2009, 11:02 PM

Urbane Guerrilla It also sounds like... 02-08-2009, 07:48 PM

Aliantha lol...thanks for that. The... 02-08-2009, 07:51 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Arf arf arf. 02-08-2009, 09:41 PM

Aliantha Bruce! You're killing me!!! ... 02-08-2009, 10:21 PM

TheMercenary And the Haggis. 02-08-2009, 11:55 PM

Aliantha :lol2: ok, now it's just too... 02-09-2009, 12:18 AM

TheMercenary An interesting assessment: ... 02-09-2009, 08:59 AM

sugarpop http://www.independent.co.uk/n... 02-09-2009, 01:04 PM

Urbane Guerrilla I'd heard of this, which is... 02-09-2009, 10:49 PM

Aliantha I never realised you were so... 02-09-2009, 10:54 PM

Urbane Guerrilla Whaddaya mean, creeping? I'm... 02-10-2009, 12:07 AM

Undertoad http://www.ynetnews.com/articl... 02-10-2009, 09:54 AM

classicman It's Bush's fault :eyebrow: 02-10-2009, 01:43 PM

xoxoxoBruce Actually, for once it isn't.... 02-10-2009, 01:47 PM

TheMercenary Ok it's Gore's fault....... 02-10-2009, 07:31 PM

OnyxCougar Wouldn't it be great if the... 02-11-2009, 09:21 AM

Prev

Previous Post

Next Post

Next

01-04-2009, 09:27 PM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That was the theory of Sun Tzu, what it would take to achieve the ultimate goal of driving the enemy to the bargaining table. When wars ground on for years, until attrition forced bargaining, it was true. But that went the way of sword fighting and knickers. We have the technology for a relative handful of people to obliterate a continent, so now it's unconditional surrender of the entire nation. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Threaded Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Forum Rules

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:37 AM.