The PH45 doesn't like Capitalism thread

[piercehawkeye45]

Lets keep this respective UG, I'm not in the mood for fighting over this again. Here are my honest thoughts on the subject and I wrote this pretty fast so if you have questions or diagreements, I will explain myself more throughly later.

Capitalism is the best system known for general generation of wealth, and without wealth, you have nothing but trouble and misery.

This is where I have a slight disagreement with you. I believe happiness (in most cases) comes after you are physically secure. In our world today if you are poor or in the working class, it is very hard to become physically secure so it is very stressful and very few tend to be happy. Once you get into the upper middle and upper class you will start to see a split in happiness. Everyone is physically secure so they now have to focus on other aspects to become happy, some can do that and some can't.

That is why I am against the idea that "money = happiness" but I also recgonize that you need money in today's society to become physical secure and then you can look for happiness (emotional security).

That is why I am looking for a system where a community can provide the physical security and then it is up to the individual to find emotional security.

College students often flirt with socialism or alternative-isms if they can imagine any. But real-world experience with getting jobs, keeping jobs and above all, with offering jobs -- this will tell a man that capitalism works and works best.

While I will not say you are wrong because I do not have the experience or insight to make that definite statement, I do wish you would look into it further because sometimes those views can be deceptive.

For one, I have met many people that were very conservative in their younger life (teen and twenties) and then switched to socialism or alternate theories so while I will still agree that most people go from left to right when they grow older, it does go both ways.

I have an idea why this happens. As I said earlier in this thread, politics is applied philosophy and sociology so someone's political views are usually equivalent to their philosophical and sociological views. I think the switch happens because one, someone has a rightist philosophy but leftist views for other reasons or their philosophical views go from left to right.

This is the part where it gets tricky. I have not seen any proof that the switch has to do with the realization of reality. The realization of reality and system hardening on you are both very strong forces that are very hard to distinguish. Our system today enforces the right philosophy so I have not found any truth that the right is the "right" way but just the most efficient way in our system. If there is a different system, the left may succeed over the right. Hopefully you can understand my way of thinking now.

Capitalism + Ethics = best and surest Wealth. Everywhere and for everyone. Capitalism is a human "system," that works with humanity's strengths. Communism, as Edmund O. Wilson remarked, was an "Interesting idea. Wrong species."

I do not have much time but I will give my two cents on this. I see free market much like as I see evolution. Capitalism is just one variety of the free market where capital is seen as the most adaptive system. If ethics is just one force within the environment to determine what company (animal) will survive. If society doesn't care about ethics, then companies that will do anything to get a profit will succeed (along with other forces) but if ethics is a strong force within that society, a balance will be found between the two.